Comments on: A Quick Thought Regarding Cloud Computing http://blog.scottlowe.org/2009/01/09/a-quick-thought-regarding-cloud-computing/ The weblog of an IT pro specializing in virtualization, storage, and servers Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:13:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Cloud Computing News http://blog.scottlowe.org/2009/01/09/a-quick-thought-regarding-cloud-computing/comment-page-1/#comment-45549 Cloud Computing News Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:22:46 +0000 http://blog.scottlowe.org/2009/01/09/a-quick-thought-regarding-cloud-computing/#comment-45549 Thanks for the information. Big news in Australia for cloud computing is Telstra have just announced a $500m investment into cloud services. Great news for the local industry. Thanks for the information. Big news in Australia for cloud computing is Telstra have just announced a $500m investment into cloud services. Great news for the local industry.

]]> By: Sam Johnston http://blog.scottlowe.org/2009/01/09/a-quick-thought-regarding-cloud-computing/comment-page-1/#comment-43366 Sam Johnston Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:43:40 +0000 http://blog.scottlowe.org/2009/01/09/a-quick-thought-regarding-cloud-computing/#comment-43366 Thanks Rodos for pointing out that there are <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_standards#Standards" rel="nofollow">plenty of cloud standards</a> already, at least from a <strong>user</strong>'s point of view (cloud computing is user-centric after all, right?). That which is claimed to be lacking is mostly behind the scenes, for example manipulating cloud resources (eg starting and stopping virtual machines, configuring storage). Fortunately there's plenty of innovation in this area and we're quickly converging on some sensible looking APIs (for example the <a href="http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AWSEC2/2006-10-01/GettingStartedGuide/" rel="nofollow">Amazon EC2 API</a> which was adopted by <a href="http://eucalyptus.cs.ucsb.edu/" rel="nofollow">Eucalyptus</a>). Other vendors (eg <a href="http://gogrid.com/" rel="nofollow">GoGrid</a>) use different APIs for the same problem, which creates an integration opportunity for vendors like <a href="http://rightscale.com" rel="nofollow">RightScale</a> without stifling innovation (GoGrid <a href="http://wiki.gogrid.com/wiki/index.php/API:Load_Balancer_(Object)" rel="nofollow">models load balancers</a> in their API for example). Eventually standards will emerge by convergence - forcing the issue prematurely could well do more damage than good (we know from the Grid community, WS-*, etc. that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_be_dragons" rel="nofollow">here be dragons</a>). Sam Thanks Rodos for pointing out that there are plenty of cloud standards already, at least from a user‘s point of view (cloud computing is user-centric after all, right?).

That which is claimed to be lacking is mostly behind the scenes, for example manipulating cloud resources (eg starting and stopping virtual machines, configuring storage). Fortunately there’s plenty of innovation in this area and we’re quickly converging on some sensible looking APIs (for example the Amazon EC2 API which was adopted by Eucalyptus). Other vendors (eg GoGrid) use different APIs for the same problem, which creates an integration opportunity for vendors like RightScale without stifling innovation (GoGrid models load balancers in their API for example).

Eventually standards will emerge by convergence – forcing the issue prematurely could well do more damage than good (we know from the Grid community, WS-*, etc. that here be dragons).

Sam

]]> By: virtolot http://blog.scottlowe.org/2009/01/09/a-quick-thought-regarding-cloud-computing/comment-page-1/#comment-43331 virtolot Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:21:58 +0000 http://blog.scottlowe.org/2009/01/09/a-quick-thought-regarding-cloud-computing/#comment-43331 Thanks, great post! But look at this post just next to yours in my RSS: <i>A group of universities have banded together as the Open Cloud Consortium to improve performance and develop a framework for cloud computing, reports InfoWorld. Said Robert Grossman, the group’s chairman and director of the Laboratory for Advanced Computing and the National Center for Data Mining at the University of Illinois at Chicago: There’s so much noise in the space that it’s hard to have technical discussions sometimes. The group plans to support open source software and focus on interoperability issues.</i> http://www.itbusinessedge.com/blogs/hdw/?p=3962 Thanks, great post!

But look at this post just next to yours in my RSS:

A group of universities have banded together as the Open Cloud Consortium to improve performance and develop a framework for cloud computing, reports InfoWorld.

Said Robert Grossman, the group’s chairman and director of the Laboratory for Advanced Computing and the National Center for Data Mining at the University of Illinois at Chicago:

There’s so much noise in the space that it’s hard to have technical discussions sometimes.

The group plans to support open source software and focus on interoperability issues.

http://www.itbusinessedge.com/blogs/hdw/?p=3962

]]> By: slowe http://blog.scottlowe.org/2009/01/09/a-quick-thought-regarding-cloud-computing/comment-page-1/#comment-43326 slowe Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:38:08 +0000 http://blog.scottlowe.org/2009/01/09/a-quick-thought-regarding-cloud-computing/#comment-43326 Rodos, A lot of the standards you mention are applicable if you are taking about cloud computing in the "Infrastructure as a Platform" (IaaP) sense, but they are not necessarily so applicable in the "Infrastructure as a Service" (IaaS) environment. At least, that's my opinion. The standards are evolving, and slowly emerging, but there just aren't enough of them and they are complete enough to describe the entire picture. Thanks for reading and commenting! Rodos,

A lot of the standards you mention are applicable if you are taking about cloud computing in the “Infrastructure as a Platform” (IaaP) sense, but they are not necessarily so applicable in the “Infrastructure as a Service” (IaaS) environment. At least, that’s my opinion. The standards are evolving, and slowly emerging, but there just aren’t enough of them and they are complete enough to describe the entire picture.

Thanks for reading and commenting!

]]> By: Rodos http://blog.scottlowe.org/2009/01/09/a-quick-thought-regarding-cloud-computing/comment-page-1/#comment-43315 Rodos Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:51:04 +0000 http://blog.scottlowe.org/2009/01/09/a-quick-thought-regarding-cloud-computing/#comment-43315 I do believe they exist a lot more than Scott indicates. What you get from clouds are Services and those services have well defined standards (HTML, REST, SOAP, RSS, SSL). Many of those services offered by the cloud are popular with open standards and some are very specific and propriety. Its these standards of service that allow the many forms of Cloud mashups, just look at what we all do in the blog area integrating twitter with linked in with blog roles with RSS feeds. The standards that are a challenge are the ones regarding configuration and interface. There are growing ones on the interface side, such as OVF, Ruby. The configuration standards must be compared for similar Services and the issues here match the physical world. If you want to use IIS or Apache, they both have a compatible Service interface (HTTP, HTTPS) but their configuration is different and not compatible. To use the example of server hardware. They all provide the same service but how I configure a IBM blade networking architecture is different to how I configure a HP one, and I can't migrate between the two. This is why its good to see VMware expanding OVF with vApp and pushing that back into the standard. In terms of federation and moving work loads, is the vCloud API going to be proprietary or open? Great conversation! I do believe they exist a lot more than Scott indicates. What you get from clouds are Services and those services have well defined standards (HTML, REST, SOAP, RSS, SSL). Many of those services offered by the cloud are popular with open standards and some are very specific and propriety. Its these standards of service that allow the many forms of Cloud mashups, just look at what we all do in the blog area integrating twitter with linked in with blog roles with RSS feeds.

The standards that are a challenge are the ones regarding configuration and interface. There are growing ones on the interface side, such as OVF, Ruby. The configuration standards must be compared for similar Services and the issues here match the physical world. If you want to use IIS or Apache, they both have a compatible Service interface (HTTP, HTTPS) but their configuration is different and not compatible.

To use the example of server hardware. They all provide the same service but how I configure a IBM blade networking architecture is different to how I configure a HP one, and I can’t migrate between the two.

This is why its good to see VMware expanding OVF with vApp and pushing that back into the standard. In terms of federation and moving work loads, is the vCloud API going to be proprietary or open?

Great conversation!

]]> By: hphuhtin http://blog.scottlowe.org/2009/01/09/a-quick-thought-regarding-cloud-computing/comment-page-1/#comment-43314 hphuhtin Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:34:00 +0000 http://blog.scottlowe.org/2009/01/09/a-quick-thought-regarding-cloud-computing/#comment-43314 I can't resist.. Good thing about standards, so many^H^H^H^Hfew to choose from? I can’t resist..

Good thing about standards, so many^H^H^H^Hfew to choose from?

]]> By: Justin Campbell http://blog.scottlowe.org/2009/01/09/a-quick-thought-regarding-cloud-computing/comment-page-1/#comment-43313 Justin Campbell Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:32:39 +0000 http://blog.scottlowe.org/2009/01/09/a-quick-thought-regarding-cloud-computing/#comment-43313 Great post Great post

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