Just Finished Fireproof

My wife, a couple of the kids, and I just got back home after watching Fireproof at the local movie theater. You’ll recall that I first mentioned Fireproof back in August, and today was the opening day. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. If you haven’t seen it, make plans to go see it right away! The movie is great, but the Message in the movie is even greater.

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  1. chris_b’s avatar

    Thanks for the refreshing perspective & entry. It’s not everyday you see people in our industry mentioning their faith. As mentioned in your 8/16 post, Facing the Giants was also a great movie & Message by the same producers. Thanks!

  2. Ben Pottinger’s avatar

    Thanks for the update! I’ll have to go see that movie. I’ve been reading alot of Phillip Yancy recently as well and highly recommend his books to anyone with a Faith in Christ or those out their seeking with questions about faith and life.

  3. Joel’s avatar

    Thanks for the shout out for Fireproof, I too have throughly enjoyed it & hopes to create such content one day.

    Joel Banta
    http://www.bilbyfilms.com

  4. Penelope’s avatar

    I am planning to see this movie…I am hearing great things about it!

  5. Yukon Dave’s avatar

    I am familiar with the Bible and its teachings and was shocked that this was passed as Christian. Other than stay strong in your marriage and pray to our Lord Jesus Christ, I did not agree with this New Feminist Christian view.

    So to sum up the story, the husband pays for the home, cars, life for 7 years while she stays home without a job and with no children. He is home 3 days a week since he is at the firehouse. Then when her parents could use some money for a new wheel chair and bed, and her husband is not willing to give up on a dream that he has saved up for since before they were married, she goes back to work to buy her parents the equipment. When another man shows up to pay $24,000 for the equipment, she is willing to leave her husband for that man within 3 weeks. She tells him that she no longer loves him and even after reading the book his mother/father wrote, she still moves forward with the divorce. When she finds out that her husband would not only pay for her to stay home in a big house with 2 cars, but he also secretly gave up his life savings and demonstrated that he will do the housework, cook dinner and give every penny he makes to things she wants, she decides to take him back???? Why are we to be happy for him?

    Since Fireproof is based on a Christian view of marriage, I believe it is important to read what the Bible and Jesus say about marriage. The Bible teaches us that the wife should follow the husband, “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord” (Ephesians 5:22). It is not taught that he should submit to her as the movie suggests. That is just not what Jesus taught. The movie makes the claim that marriage is an oath to God for life but that is only part of the truth. The wife has a duty as well in marriage. The Bible is clear, the wife must follow the man and what he decides. That a women must not “usurp authority over a man, but to be in silence.” (I Timothy 2:11-14)

    That is the way of Jesus Christ and the marriage that He commands. Those are His words and if one argues that Jesus is against divorce then you also have to accept that a Christian marriage is based on a women following the man. Man has many choices in the Bible and our hero in this story would not have a problem if she just kept up her end of the bargain and followed the teaching of Jesus Christ.

    Other than the fact that he spoke to her in anger when he should not have done so, what did he do wrong? He has shown that he will pay $24,000 for sex. She on the other hand has shown that she is a $24,000 prostitute up for the highest bidder. Match made in heaven? Not the heaven I would want for anyone yet this is shown as an example of sacrifice and love. Nothing wrong with sacrificing and giving of yourself for the one you love. Love is not always fair on a daily basis.

    In the story Fireproof, the wife chooses to break her marriage vows. She decides what she wants is more important then the relationship. Her actions demonstrated that the $24,000 is more important than her husband and her marriage. To accept $24,000 from another man while she is married only demonstrated how lazy and shallow she was.

  6. slowe’s avatar

    Yukon Dave,

    It’s my understanding from the movie that marital problems between Caleb and Catherine had been going on for more than just a few weeks. Also, IIRC, Catherine didn’t find The Love Dare until after she’d already served the divorce papers.

    But those are minor things. Don’t forget that Ephesians has very specific instructions for the husband, too. What exactly does it mean for a husband to “love his wife as he loves himself”? Doesn’t that mean putting aside your own desires to put her desires first? Shouldn’t we love our wives as Christ loves us, unconditionally and without any strings attached? Even if they don’t “deserve” that love? I think that these are the characteristics we need to take note of.

    Yes, Catherine was shallow, lazy, and uncommitted to her marriage. I agree. She didn’t know how to truly love–and respect–Caleb, just as Caleb didn’t know how to truly love her. Only through Christ were they able to overcome their own faults to make their marriage work.

    I guess it’s really just a matter of perspective. I can see your viewpoint, but I don’t agree. We’ll have to just agree to disagree!

    Thanks for reading.

  7. Yukon Dave’s avatar

    I respect your viewpoint as a man that wishes to walk the path. The difference is how we choose to take modern feminism in Christianity.
    In regards to “what exactly does it mean for a husband to “love his wife as he loves himself”? Doesn’t that mean putting aside your own desires to put her desires first? ” NO. By design the man must lead the marriage for the benefit of both the husband and the wife. It is clearly stated that her desires do not come first.

    The Bible is clear on this issue:
    “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.” (Ephesians 5:22-24)
    (See also I Cor. 11:3-12, I Cor. 14:34-36, I Timothy 2:8-15, I Peter 3:1-7, Col. 3:18-19.)

    “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” (I Corinthians 11:3)

    “For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.” (I Corinthians 11:8-9)

    “Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” (I Timothy 2:11-14)

  8. Zappy’s avatar

    Slowe,

    When you state that “Yes, Catherine was shallow, lazy, and uncommitted to her marriage” you are really agreeing that Yukon Dave had was right to feel “shocked that this was passed as Christian”. In the feminist version of marriage passed off as Christian in this movie, the husband must sacrifice everything for the marriage while the wife is not required to sacrifice anything in return. This movie’s warped version of marriage should be attacked and not praised. As more and more women buy into this one-sided and selfish view of marriage, the divorce rate in this country will continue to rise as men increasingly view marriage as a bad deal for them.

  9. Yukon Dave’s avatar

    You are correct, Catherines did serve papers before she found out about the love dare, but when she found out she did not change her course. Finding out about her husbands efforts in the love dare did not change her heart. It was only when she found out that the doctor had not given the $24,000 that she came walking back to the firehouse for Caleb. That is why I make the assertion that she was motivated by money and not love. It she were motivated by love she would have come back to Caleb after she found out about the dare and not after she found out about the highest bidder.

  10. slowe’s avatar

    Yukon Dave, Zappy,

    I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree about this particular matter. I respect your viewpoints, although I do not agree with them. However, thanks for the discussion! I appreciate each of you taking the time to express your thoughts and feelings. May God bless each of you!

  11. PEGGIE’s avatar

    Yukon Dave,
    it seems you did not actually watch this movie, and have no problem being extremely judgmental, which is a concern. We as Christians are not called to put judgment upon others for their mistakes or actually anything at all. we are simply called to LOVE and be GENEROUS and KIND to ALL. What would Jesus Do? Shun? Judge? no. Befriend.
    Because of your perception of the people in the film’s lifestyle, and because it includes showing that, like everyone else in the world, they’d made bad choices, this cannot be a Christian film?
    This film also made it clear that the wife did work full time, she even stated it in an argument early on with her husband, as well as helped her parents every other weekend.
    the story never implied that she was willing to leave her husband for money. it was clear from the first moment that she and her husband were BOTH at fault for their marriage being in shambles, and it showed how emotionally abusive, harsh, impatient, and unloving he was as a husband. Not to mention the many times it mentioned his adulterous behavior…ie: viewing pornography online!

    did you forget this verse?
    “Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” it doesn’t say, “you’ll both become the man’s flesh,” or “the woman’s flesh becomes the husband’s only,” but “AND THEY SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.”
    —Genesis 2:18, 21-24

    how about this one?
    “Enjoy life with the wife whom you love, all the days of your vain life that he has given you under the sun, because that is your portion in life and in your toil at which you toil under the sun.”
    —Ecclesiastes 9:9

    I don’t see this one being one-sided, only the WOMAN submitting…
    “Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
    —1 Corinthians 7:1-5

    REMEMBER THAT VERSE YOU QUOTED? about wives submitting? you forgot the REST of it! Here, i’ll finish it for you! ;)

    “Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.

    HUSBANDS, love your wives, as Christ loved the church AND GAVE HIMSELF UP FOR HER, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.”
    —Ephesians 5:22-33

    oh, this is fun. how about another!
    “Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. HUSBANDS, love your wives, AND DO NOT BE HARSH WITH THEM.”
    —Colossians 3:18-19

    and finally…

    “Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing HONOR to the woman, since they are heirs with you OF THE GRACE OF LIFE, so that your prayers may not be hindered.”
    —1 Peter 2:25-3:2, 3:7

    oh, let’s not forget about adultery…
    EXO 20:14 “You shall not commit adultery.

    DEU 5:18 “You shall not commit adultery.

    ok, so let’s define adultery then…
    MAT 5:27-28 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’
    But I tell you that ANYONE WHO LOOKS AT A WOMAN LUSTFULLY HAS ALREADY COMMITTED ADULTERY WITH HER IN HIS HEART.”

    oh, wait! what happened to him being head of the household and helping her to…
    Mark 10:19 You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, and HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.’”

    Whether or not you think it is o.k. for a woman to put up with being treated like trash or a punching bag for the rest of her life for the sake of “submitting” to her husband, it’s still not o.k. to judge others. In this rant, I heard nothing of the plank in your own eye. these people in the story were God’s children.
    He would have had nothing but LOVE for them.
    and you seem to have nothing but contempt. that makes me sad. especially since you saw that this man did nothing wrong and, in your opinion, yelling at his wife for lighting a candle in her own kitchen and not saving him any pizza is righteous anger.
    hm…

  12. riko’s avatar

    sorrie guys but all i dont think anyone here really understood the movie. When watching a movie you kind of have to asume things. For example Catherine may have been lazy and all but she had to put up with Caleb for seven years. Now what kind of girl puts up with a guy for seven year and still have hopes. Like their one saying he keeps on giving and giving and gets rejected. Well people give chances over and over and over, for those who have no one else keeps this up, but for those who knows that they are not alone in this world. Well the majority gives up hope and that is exactly what Catherine did, she gave up. Dont forget about the trick one of the nurse told her that happened to her cousin. The one where her husband was all nice and up and took everything. That has a lot to do with here determination that, that is all Caleb wanted, everything. I believe no man can live without a woman and no woman can live without a man. Every single one person in this world is lonely and they just want someone who is truly there for them when they are there. The majority of the population is weak so they default to this behavior. Some on like others are strong and those are the ones that you see loving each other till death do them part. It is the nature of humans to lose hope, move on, and/or take the easy way out. Who doesnt want life to be easy, peacefull, etc. Technology was made to make our lives easier, I know but one person who actully complains about technology. What I got from this movie is that it shows two couples one weak, one strong. Like many other couples goes through relation problems and god was their answer. Although I really do not agree as to god was really their answer, but loving and caring about each other more is what they both needed. In this movie God was the bridge and the light that showed them the way. In this world there are many different bridge and light to the side where everyone is loved, in peace, and happy. You just have to find yours.

  13. riko’s avatar

    oh yeah, they didnt become god’s children till the end of the movie, so they were not obliged or what ever to do what was put forthe by god till the then. Thus the nature of humans

  14. riko’s avatar

    Lastly, the 24,000 deal is like proof to her that the one who gave that up is willing to do more for her and cares about her. when she thought it was the doctor who gave the 24,000, but actually gave 300, she thought that he went out of his way because he really cares about her. here u have to asume that ppl are in general good. the reality in life is that ppl are not all good hearted like that, but being the girl she is she believes ppl are good hearted like that. the lunch thing is like a thank you from her to him, and may very well be the biginning many different things to come. luckly Caleb showed the doctor what a wedding ring means. although he didnt understand it at the time he knows better to try to take anothers wife, especially a fireman. whe she found out that the husband is actually the one who put in 23,700. that shows her that he has really given up his old ways and his saving for ” the useless boat” for her happiness. the whole time she thought that he was just playing her, and did not want to believe he changed his ways. i mean come on really who changes their ways that has become apart of their life for 7+ years. it’s hard to break a habit in this case the motive or thing that helps make him change is his relationship is on the line. with a strong motive any thing can happen, this is the back bone of miracles.

  15. slowe’s avatar

    Jeff, the review does do one thing correctly: it points out how people, apart from God, can’t truly love each other. What the review fails to do, IMHO, is point out how true love doesn’t keep count of another person’s failings. It doesn’t point out that true love offers forgiveness, even when the other person doesn’t deserve it. True love thinks of others before ourselves, even when the other person doesn’t think/act in the same way. *This* is the true message of the movie—that when we love others the same way God loves us, then lives are changed. It’s not about who’s right and who’s wrong; it’s about God’s love and how it can change us and those around us.